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		<title>By: Tony Macklin</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2009/01/donors-as-investors-not-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1#comment-5883</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Macklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points Sean.  Thanks, as always, for dedicating your expertise and time to thoughtful giving stratgies, and to engaging the rest of us in the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points Sean.  Thanks, as always, for dedicating your expertise and time to thoughtful giving stratgies, and to engaging the rest of us in the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stannard-Stockton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Stannard-Stockton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Ani, lots of evidence shows that they don&#039;t. Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geofunders.org/getting-smarter.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a report from Grantmakers for Effective Organizations&lt;/a&gt;. Key quote &quot;Survey finds persistent gap between nonprofit needs and grantmaker practices&quot;.

What I&#039;m saying is foundation staff&#039;s core expertise should be in evaluating nonprofits. They should also have expertise in the area they are funding, but I&#039;m arguing that the emphasis should be on building great nonprofits, rather than an emphasis on evaluating the program area and designing strategies to affect change.

Evaluating organizations is the role of an investor. Crafting plans to create change is the role of the social entrepreneur(and I use that phrase in the sense of nonprofits who try to tackle new problems without any reference to profit making or any &quot;new&quot; social enterprise movement).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Ani, lots of evidence shows that they don&#8217;t. Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.geofunders.org/getting-smarter.aspx" rel="nofollow">a report from Grantmakers for Effective Organizations</a>. Key quote &#8220;Survey finds persistent gap between nonprofit needs and grantmaker practices&#8221;.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m saying is foundation staff&#8217;s core expertise should be in evaluating nonprofits. They should also have expertise in the area they are funding, but I&#8217;m arguing that the emphasis should be on building great nonprofits, rather than an emphasis on evaluating the program area and designing strategies to affect change.</p>
<p>Evaluating organizations is the role of an investor. Crafting plans to create change is the role of the social entrepreneur(and I use that phrase in the sense of nonprofits who try to tackle new problems without any reference to profit making or any &#8220;new&#8221; social enterprise movement).</p>
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		<title>By: ani hurwitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>ani hurwitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sean--what makes you think that most foundations don&#039;t put the &quot;capacity&quot; of the nonprofit first? i think most do. and of course foundations have their own theories of change. staff, after all, are generally hired for their expertise in the area they&#039;re funding. But after you&#039;ve been doing this for some time, you realize that it takes far more money, political clout, and time to move the needle on many of the issues we care about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sean&#8211;what makes you think that most foundations don&#8217;t put the &#8220;capacity&#8221; of the nonprofit first? i think most do. and of course foundations have their own theories of change. staff, after all, are generally hired for their expertise in the area they&#8217;re funding. But after you&#8217;ve been doing this for some time, you realize that it takes far more money, political clout, and time to move the needle on many of the issues we care about.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stannard-Stockton</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2009/01/donors-as-investors-not-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1#comment-5880</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Stannard-Stockton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you and I are close in our thinking, Tony, but have a different emphasis. As I wrote I do think it makes sense for investors to have certain &quot;themes&quot; in their investing and of course certain programs will be more  or less convincing to different donors.

But my point in all of this is to argue that donors should place the analysis of the organization ahead of the analysis of a specific type of program. Why should a donor (whose biggest asset is the fact they have assets to give/invest) have their own theory of how to affect social change? Are not the nonprofits on the ground, who are domain experts, better positioned to make these decisions? Especially if they have the internal resources to evaluate their activities well?

That doesn&#039;t mean that funders should just decide to let nonprofits do whatever they want. But for-profit investors in retail companies (for example) do not design business models and then go looking for companies that fit them. They examine companies and decide which ones seem to make the most sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you and I are close in our thinking, Tony, but have a different emphasis. As I wrote I do think it makes sense for investors to have certain &#8220;themes&#8221; in their investing and of course certain programs will be more  or less convincing to different donors.</p>
<p>But my point in all of this is to argue that donors should place the analysis of the organization ahead of the analysis of a specific type of program. Why should a donor (whose biggest asset is the fact they have assets to give/invest) have their own theory of how to affect social change? Are not the nonprofits on the ground, who are domain experts, better positioned to make these decisions? Especially if they have the internal resources to evaluate their activities well?</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean that funders should just decide to let nonprofits do whatever they want. But for-profit investors in retail companies (for example) do not design business models and then go looking for companies that fit them. They examine companies and decide which ones seem to make the most sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Macklin</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2009/01/donors-as-investors-not-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1#comment-5878</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Macklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, in general I agree with your points.  The issue may be in how you&#039;ve seen foundations execute theories of change or how much detail they have. 

Say a donor wants to reduce poverty for single-parent families in a certain zip code.  In a metro area, you&#039;d see probably 100+ organizations claiming to help in some way. A donor ought to be able to have at least a starting theory that explains their bias towards, say, post-secondary educational attainment as a key pathway out of poverty.  This can at least help them narrow the field of opportunities and better test their assumptions.

I think there isn&#039;t any reason a donor can&#039;t have that type of basic theory and then fund organizations in the way you describe. I&#039;d advocate for your position on long-term equity funding for organizations that then fall into that chosen pathway (presuming they&#039;re well-run etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, in general I agree with your points.  The issue may be in how you&#8217;ve seen foundations execute theories of change or how much detail they have. </p>
<p>Say a donor wants to reduce poverty for single-parent families in a certain zip code.  In a metro area, you&#8217;d see probably 100+ organizations claiming to help in some way. A donor ought to be able to have at least a starting theory that explains their bias towards, say, post-secondary educational attainment as a key pathway out of poverty.  This can at least help them narrow the field of opportunities and better test their assumptions.</p>
<p>I think there isn&#8217;t any reason a donor can&#8217;t have that type of basic theory and then fund organizations in the way you describe. I&#8217;d advocate for your position on long-term equity funding for organizations that then fall into that chosen pathway (presuming they&#8217;re well-run etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Vukusich</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2009/01/donors-as-investors-not-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1#comment-5876</link>
		<dc:creator>Jillian Vukusich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think a far greater power differential exists when funders use nonprofits to execute the funders strategy. But as nonprofits are built up into strong, robust firms, they are able to break free of the cycle of dependency on specific funders.&quot;  Agreed and  sustainability/capacity is (should be) in fact one of the goals of grantmaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think a far greater power differential exists when funders use nonprofits to execute the funders strategy. But as nonprofits are built up into strong, robust firms, they are able to break free of the cycle of dependency on specific funders.&#8221;  Agreed and  sustainability/capacity is (should be) in fact one of the goals of grantmaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stannard-Stockton</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2009/01/donors-as-investors-not-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1#comment-5874</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Stannard-Stockton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Tony, what I&#039;m arguing is that funders are not the ones who should be designing step two. Funders should be defining their goals, such as combat global warming, reduce poverty, improve k-5 education, etc. But then they should be looking for great nonprofits who are working on these areas and funding the ones who they think are doing the best job.

The designing of conditions, programs, policies etc, should be done at the nonprofit level and funders should evaluate the evidence and arguments made by each potential grantee. But the current practice, which you do a good job of laying out, gets things backwards (or at least that&#039;s the argument I&#039;m advancing). By designing their own theory of change and then &quot;contracting&quot; with organizations who can deliver the building blocks, the funders are maintaining a situation where most nonprofits are under-capitalized because they only get short term &quot;revenue&quot; in exchange for program execution rather than long term &quot;equity&quot; funding that can help them build their organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tony, what I&#8217;m arguing is that funders are not the ones who should be designing step two. Funders should be defining their goals, such as combat global warming, reduce poverty, improve k-5 education, etc. But then they should be looking for great nonprofits who are working on these areas and funding the ones who they think are doing the best job.</p>
<p>The designing of conditions, programs, policies etc, should be done at the nonprofit level and funders should evaluate the evidence and arguments made by each potential grantee. But the current practice, which you do a good job of laying out, gets things backwards (or at least that&#8217;s the argument I&#8217;m advancing). By designing their own theory of change and then &#8220;contracting&#8221; with organizations who can deliver the building blocks, the funders are maintaining a situation where most nonprofits are under-capitalized because they only get short term &#8220;revenue&#8221; in exchange for program execution rather than long term &#8220;equity&#8221; funding that can help them build their organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Macklin</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2009/01/donors-as-investors-not-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1#comment-5872</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Macklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, thanks for the thoughtful exchange with Paul and others.  Part of the issue may be the depth and implementation of the &quot;theory of change&quot; used by a donor or family foundation.  

A basic version of a theory of change is:  1) defining goal of the impact (what impact for whom over what timeframe), 2) thinking about what building blocks (conditions, programs, policies etc.) need to be in place to achieve the goal, and 3) finding the organizations that are delivering on those building blocks (or are best positioned to).  Depending on the situation, those organizations may be nonprofit, government, business, or loose citizen alliances.

Like any theory, it is meant to be tested and modified as you learn more (in fact it works best if you&#039;re willing to listen and learn).  But it does give you a framework to focus your giving and learning, and a means to clearly say no to things that don&#039;t fit. It can also provide framework for a donor&#039;s volunteer and advocacy time.

Any donor or foundation can start with this basic strategy.  And, they can implement the theory through general ops or strategic growth grants to efforts that provide the most impact, rather than trying to design their own programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, thanks for the thoughtful exchange with Paul and others.  Part of the issue may be the depth and implementation of the &#8220;theory of change&#8221; used by a donor or family foundation.  </p>
<p>A basic version of a theory of change is:  1) defining goal of the impact (what impact for whom over what timeframe), 2) thinking about what building blocks (conditions, programs, policies etc.) need to be in place to achieve the goal, and 3) finding the organizations that are delivering on those building blocks (or are best positioned to).  Depending on the situation, those organizations may be nonprofit, government, business, or loose citizen alliances.</p>
<p>Like any theory, it is meant to be tested and modified as you learn more (in fact it works best if you&#8217;re willing to listen and learn).  But it does give you a framework to focus your giving and learning, and a means to clearly say no to things that don&#8217;t fit. It can also provide framework for a donor&#8217;s volunteer and advocacy time.</p>
<p>Any donor or foundation can start with this basic strategy.  And, they can implement the theory through general ops or strategic growth grants to efforts that provide the most impact, rather than trying to design their own programs.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stannard-Stockton</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2009/01/donors-as-investors-not-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1#comment-5871</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Stannard-Stockton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The power differential between funders and nonprofits is an important issue. I&#039;d like to point out that in the for-profit space, investors hold a certain power over very small companies, but as a company grows the power differential equalizes. The various investors that invest in Google don&#039;t hold power over Google. In fact, because Google has been such a desirable investment, investors have had to compete to get in.

I think a far greater power differential exists when funders use nonprofits to execute the funders strategy. But as nonprofits are built up into strong, robust firms, they are able to break free of the cycle of dependency on specific funders.

Yes, foundations are nonprofits, just as both investors and companies are for-profits. But the role of the grantmaking foundation should be to capitalize (fund) entrepreneurial nonprofits, not to design their own programs and then use nonprofits to execute them (at least that&#039;s the argument I&#039;m advancing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The power differential between funders and nonprofits is an important issue. I&#8217;d like to point out that in the for-profit space, investors hold a certain power over very small companies, but as a company grows the power differential equalizes. The various investors that invest in Google don&#8217;t hold power over Google. In fact, because Google has been such a desirable investment, investors have had to compete to get in.</p>
<p>I think a far greater power differential exists when funders use nonprofits to execute the funders strategy. But as nonprofits are built up into strong, robust firms, they are able to break free of the cycle of dependency on specific funders.</p>
<p>Yes, foundations are nonprofits, just as both investors and companies are for-profits. But the role of the grantmaking foundation should be to capitalize (fund) entrepreneurial nonprofits, not to design their own programs and then use nonprofits to execute them (at least that&#8217;s the argument I&#8217;m advancing).</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian Vukusich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillian Vukusich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if I agree (or disagree) with you at this point.  Still formulating my thoughts on this.  

However, I think that one distinction remains untouched.  Foundations ARE nonprofits.  By separating the funder world from the nonprofit sector, we in fact confirm the notion that power lies in the position.  This is adverse to my beliefs as a program officer at a community foundation.  

It is my job to learn, to listen and to assist in recommending requests for funding that fit the mission of our foundation and also meet the criteria established by the donors we represent.  I always say that we look to the nonprofits to be the experts in their field of practice but it is the duty of foundation staff to be informed on the issues deemed as priorities by our Board and by our donors.

There are also distinct difference between an individual donor, an investor and a foundation.  Having money to give does not necessarily mean that there is power associated and I think we do a disservice by creating an atmostphere in which foundation staff members are cultivated in the same way that individual donors are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if I agree (or disagree) with you at this point.  Still formulating my thoughts on this.  </p>
<p>However, I think that one distinction remains untouched.  Foundations ARE nonprofits.  By separating the funder world from the nonprofit sector, we in fact confirm the notion that power lies in the position.  This is adverse to my beliefs as a program officer at a community foundation.  </p>
<p>It is my job to learn, to listen and to assist in recommending requests for funding that fit the mission of our foundation and also meet the criteria established by the donors we represent.  I always say that we look to the nonprofits to be the experts in their field of practice but it is the duty of foundation staff to be informed on the issues deemed as priorities by our Board and by our donors.</p>
<p>There are also distinct difference between an individual donor, an investor and a foundation.  Having money to give does not necessarily mean that there is power associated and I think we do a disservice by creating an atmostphere in which foundation staff members are cultivated in the same way that individual donors are.</p>
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