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	<title>Comments on: Nurturing the Philanthropic Impulse</title>
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		<title>By: Sharon Schneider</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2008/05/nurturing-the-philanthropic-impulse/comment-page-1#comment-3252</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's true, it's tough for any of the groups you mention to objectively play "concierge" in the sense of matching donors with the right charitable vehicle (although I know this is Ensemble's approach and there are certainly others as well). 

I think Jacob Harold was calling for more resources and education for "financial advisors, estate attorneys, wealth managers, and accountants," not more vehicle neutrality among philanthropic types.  And I agree with his point: These folks generally have no horse in the race, but often seem to have a comfort zone with one philanthropic vehicle or another.  Ideally they should be helping clients make informed decisions based on their particular situation, not the advisors' own confort zone.

Once donors get in the right vehicle, though, the philanthropic advisors should be able to play that concierge role to connect donors with the best resources to accomplish their philanthropic goals.  It's a full-time job to keep up with everything going on in the sector.  I know--it's mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true, it&#8217;s tough for any of the groups you mention to objectively play &#8220;concierge&#8221; in the sense of matching donors with the right charitable vehicle (although I know this is Ensemble&#8217;s approach and there are certainly others as well). </p>
<p>I think Jacob Harold was calling for more resources and education for &#8220;financial advisors, estate attorneys, wealth managers, and accountants,&#8221; not more vehicle neutrality among philanthropic types.  And I agree with his point: These folks generally have no horse in the race, but often seem to have a comfort zone with one philanthropic vehicle or another.  Ideally they should be helping clients make informed decisions based on their particular situation, not the advisors&#8217; own confort zone.</p>
<p>Once donors get in the right vehicle, though, the philanthropic advisors should be able to play that concierge role to connect donors with the best resources to accomplish their philanthropic goals.  It&#8217;s a full-time job to keep up with everything going on in the sector.  I know&#8211;it&#8217;s mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stannard-Stockton</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2008/05/nurturing-the-philanthropic-impulse/comment-page-1#comment-3250</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Stannard-Stockton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, When I talk about my Financial Times column I say I write "for" the Financial Times. When I talk about my work at Ensemble Capital, I say I am working "for" Ensemble Capital.

I've never thought about any negative connotations. If any of the authors don't like the vocabulary, I'd be happy to discuss.

But I think you're talking about a non-issue here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, When I talk about my Financial Times column I say I write &#8220;for&#8221; the Financial Times. When I talk about my work at Ensemble Capital, I say I am working &#8220;for&#8221; Ensemble Capital.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never thought about any negative connotations. If any of the authors don&#8217;t like the vocabulary, I&#8217;d be happy to discuss.</p>
<p>But I think you&#8217;re talking about a non-issue here.</p>
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		<title>By: Partner or Slave</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2008/05/nurturing-the-philanthropic-impulse/comment-page-1#comment-3243</link>
		<dc:creator>Partner or Slave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 23:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Jacob Harold, Program Officer at The William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, who is covering the Council on Foundations Conference for Tactical Philanthropy."

Is Jacob covering the conference "for" TP or "with" TP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jacob Harold, Program Officer at The William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, who is covering the Council on Foundations Conference for Tactical Philanthropy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is Jacob covering the conference &#8220;for&#8221; TP or &#8220;with&#8221; TP?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stannard-Stockton</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2008/05/nurturing-the-philanthropic-impulse/comment-page-1#comment-3237</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Stannard-Stockton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 21:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roxie Jerde of DonorEdge is currently blogging here with the COF team and I think her work and the DonorEdge platform is great. But imagine Ani's comment if you replaced "community foundation" with another "concierge"-type.

"Easy. Call Foundation Source."
"Easy. Call Goldman Sachs."
"Easy. Call Rockefeller Partners"
"Easy. Call Ensemble Capital"

Neither community foundations nor any of the above are a simple across the board answer to the issues raised in your post, Jacob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roxie Jerde of DonorEdge is currently blogging here with the COF team and I think her work and the DonorEdge platform is great. But imagine Ani&#8217;s comment if you replaced &#8220;community foundation&#8221; with another &#8220;concierge&#8221;-type.</p>
<p>&#8220;Easy. Call Foundation Source.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Easy. Call Goldman Sachs.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Easy. Call Rockefeller Partners&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Easy. Call Ensemble Capital&#8221;</p>
<p>Neither community foundations nor any of the above are a simple across the board answer to the issues raised in your post, Jacob.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Harold</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2008/05/nurturing-the-philanthropic-impulse/comment-page-1#comment-3235</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 21:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some community foundations that do an excellent job in this "concierge" function.  The DonorEdge platform mentioned in the post helps get data about nonprofit performance to donors with funds at community foundations.  It was orginally created by the Greater Kansas City Community Foundation and has since been adopted (and adapted) by several other community foundations.  Not all community foundations are well-positioned to play this concierge function--but platforms like DonorEdge can help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some community foundations that do an excellent job in this &#8220;concierge&#8221; function.  The DonorEdge platform mentioned in the post helps get data about nonprofit performance to donors with funds at community foundations.  It was orginally created by the Greater Kansas City Community Foundation and has since been adopted (and adapted) by several other community foundations.  Not all community foundations are well-positioned to play this concierge function&#8211;but platforms like DonorEdge can help.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stannard-Stockton</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2008/05/nurturing-the-philanthropic-impulse/comment-page-1#comment-3234</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Stannard-Stockton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 21:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just going to state again for clarity sake that I am a big fan of community foundations and think they have an even bigger role to play in the coming decades than the very important role they play in philanthropy today.

Also, Ani, you are right when you say that community foundations real efforts are in helping their city (and that is how community foundations are so different from commercial gift funds). But Jacob's post was about "serving donors", not "serving the community". The "product" or "service" that CFs "sell" to donors is donor advised fund administration (of course grantmaking advice is part of the bundled package, but it cannot be unbundled).

So when you combine that economic incentive with statements like yours that imply that your "competitor" (private foundations) are generally not appropriate, you can see why I question the ability of CFs to act as the "concierge" that Jacob refers to.

Now, lots of nuances can be lost in short blog comments, so I just want to circle around and point out that my comments here are not a sort of attack on CFs, but a reaction to your solution to the issues Jacob raises being, "easy. go to your local community foundation."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just going to state again for clarity sake that I am a big fan of community foundations and think they have an even bigger role to play in the coming decades than the very important role they play in philanthropy today.</p>
<p>Also, Ani, you are right when you say that community foundations real efforts are in helping their city (and that is how community foundations are so different from commercial gift funds). But Jacob&#8217;s post was about &#8220;serving donors&#8221;, not &#8220;serving the community&#8221;. The &#8220;product&#8221; or &#8220;service&#8221; that CFs &#8220;sell&#8221; to donors is donor advised fund administration (of course grantmaking advice is part of the bundled package, but it cannot be unbundled).</p>
<p>So when you combine that economic incentive with statements like yours that imply that your &#8220;competitor&#8221; (private foundations) are generally not appropriate, you can see why I question the ability of CFs to act as the &#8220;concierge&#8221; that Jacob refers to.</p>
<p>Now, lots of nuances can be lost in short blog comments, so I just want to circle around and point out that my comments here are not a sort of attack on CFs, but a reaction to your solution to the issues Jacob raises being, &#8220;easy. go to your local community foundation.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any community foundation worth its salt will recommend what it thinks is the best fit for the donor. At the foundation I work for, we believe that  a fund at a cf is the most effect and efficient way to go for most people--but not always. For people who want complete control, or whose charitable interests don't mesh with ours, or who need their own dedicated staff, we often recommend other choices,including commercial gift funds and private foundations. I don't know much about Foundation Source, but I think that donors who can only afford a foundation-in-a-box is usually better off at a cf. And at the "end of the day," we are not selling donor-advised funds: we put our efforts into inspiring people to fund our city's future by setting up endowed field-of-interest or unrestricted funds, either now or in their wills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any community foundation worth its salt will recommend what it thinks is the best fit for the donor. At the foundation I work for, we believe that  a fund at a cf is the most effect and efficient way to go for most people&#8211;but not always. For people who want complete control, or whose charitable interests don&#8217;t mesh with ours, or who need their own dedicated staff, we often recommend other choices,including commercial gift funds and private foundations. I don&#8217;t know much about Foundation Source, but I think that donors who can only afford a foundation-in-a-box is usually better off at a cf. And at the &#8220;end of the day,&#8221; we are not selling donor-advised funds: we put our efforts into inspiring people to fund our city&#8217;s future by setting up endowed field-of-interest or unrestricted funds, either now or in their wills.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stannard-Stockton</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2008/05/nurturing-the-philanthropic-impulse/comment-page-1#comment-3232</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Stannard-Stockton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ani, community foundations are great resources. But will they help a donor use a service like Foundation Source? At the end of the day, community foundations are selling donor advised funds. Community Foundations are one of the "amazing resources" that Jacob refers to, but they are not well positioned to act as "concierge".

In the interest of fair discloser, &lt;a href="http://ensemblecapital.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;my firm&lt;/a&gt; is trying to serve as concierge in the way Jacob describes, so I'm clearly biased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ani, community foundations are great resources. But will they help a donor use a service like Foundation Source? At the end of the day, community foundations are selling donor advised funds. Community Foundations are one of the &#8220;amazing resources&#8221; that Jacob refers to, but they are not well positioned to act as &#8220;concierge&#8221;.</p>
<p>In the interest of fair discloser, <a href="http://ensemblecapital.com/" rel="nofollow">my firm</a> is trying to serve as concierge in the way Jacob describes, so I&#8217;m clearly biased.</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2008/05/nurturing-the-philanthropic-impulse/comment-page-1#comment-3231</link>
		<dc:creator>Ani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>easy. go to your local community foundation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>easy. go to your local community foundation.</p>
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