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		<title>By: Markus Karlsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus Karlsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are working on a project similar to the one outlined but on a more individual / personal basis.

It's clear that the net will be a major channel for individuals who want to contribute to causes, not just financially, but also with personal skills and time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are working on a project similar to the one outlined but on a more individual / personal basis.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear that the net will be a major channel for individuals who want to contribute to causes, not just financially, but also with personal skills and time.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 04:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the social engineering around this software concept is difficult for me to imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the social engineering around this software concept is difficult for me to imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Marsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sean,

I was reading with interest (actually more akin to
delight) your view on Hewlett's philanthropy program. I have some ideas
that you might be interested in relation to how IT could be used to improve philanthropy, its provision, gaps and practice. 

Think my assessment is similar to yours but I do feel that one 'social marketplace' architecture
needs to be created (and, in its early stages,) disseminated from the top
down. Also believe that we have yet to think about the huge potential for
analysing the data that will flow from such an environment and how
advertising revenue from the environment's brand could itself be used as social capital.

So for your interest and that of other readers:

The problem

At the moment NGOs, charities, universities and even some Foundation/grant
givers (in terms of their overall knowledge base) use static
software/databases, limited and clustered human memory and even old paper lists when they set about trying to decide who they should work with and
why. Yes there is 'fundraising software' but these are not really any
different from the static sources or techniques. 

Non profits don't strive for a complete and accurate sense of the real time
objectives or activities of potential partners or how to marry them to
benefit respective missions. Nothing can ever beat face to face human
interactions or receiving a great application. However, both funder and
grant seeker need to establish the right knowledge and their now exists
technology that could create efficient systems for realising opportunities
by intelligent interaction with missions, activity and organisational
identities.

The idea

A dynamic user led and focused software platform/environment for grant
givers and grant seekers to interact and compete could be developed whereby
their real time objectives and organisational identities interact and
compete for the best ideas and resources. A second generation internet
platform whereby a Foundation's (for example) publicly available governance
and philanthropic objectives are matched (automatically) with various
university (for example) academic objectives, personnel and events both
proactively and reactively.

Impact

Philanthropy is pretty much in the business of working with poor and
vulnerable people and more and more poor and vulnerable people are becoming
empowered with the ability to develop and manage their own philanthropic
relationships. An efficient system and real time knowledge base would be
immensely helpful and efficient in terms of time and money - not to mention
getting down to business and making the best possible relationships work.

Why now

As can be seen from the social networks, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Google - the same real time user focused technology exists now and can be used for this purpose. also, more and more people are becoming involved in
philanthropy and more and more people see a need for improvements in
accountability, focus and efficiency. The wonderful thing about philanthropy
as opposed to business - is that all information is open and free, it just
needs to flow better and better for everyone.

This platform could be up and running in 3 years when the majority of groups
(from the very small to the very large, form the local, national to the
international) could be interacting and benefiting. 

The vast data of such a third sector (virtual and open) environment could be
analysed by civil society social scientists - providing new (and first time) knowledge on a  global multi $billion philanthropic 'industry' - which would perhaps have very real implications for policy analysis and social change in terms of public, private and governmental policy, its gaps and possible prediction of future areas of need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sean,</p>
<p>I was reading with interest (actually more akin to<br />
delight) your view on Hewlett&#8217;s philanthropy program. I have some ideas<br />
that you might be interested in relation to how IT could be used to improve philanthropy, its provision, gaps and practice. </p>
<p>Think my assessment is similar to yours but I do feel that one &#8217;social marketplace&#8217; architecture<br />
needs to be created (and, in its early stages,) disseminated from the top<br />
down. Also believe that we have yet to think about the huge potential for<br />
analysing the data that will flow from such an environment and how<br />
advertising revenue from the environment&#8217;s brand could itself be used as social capital.</p>
<p>So for your interest and that of other readers:</p>
<p>The problem</p>
<p>At the moment NGOs, charities, universities and even some Foundation/grant<br />
givers (in terms of their overall knowledge base) use static<br />
software/databases, limited and clustered human memory and even old paper lists when they set about trying to decide who they should work with and<br />
why. Yes there is &#8216;fundraising software&#8217; but these are not really any<br />
different from the static sources or techniques. </p>
<p>Non profits don&#8217;t strive for a complete and accurate sense of the real time<br />
objectives or activities of potential partners or how to marry them to<br />
benefit respective missions. Nothing can ever beat face to face human<br />
interactions or receiving a great application. However, both funder and<br />
grant seeker need to establish the right knowledge and their now exists<br />
technology that could create efficient systems for realising opportunities<br />
by intelligent interaction with missions, activity and organisational<br />
identities.</p>
<p>The idea</p>
<p>A dynamic user led and focused software platform/environment for grant<br />
givers and grant seekers to interact and compete could be developed whereby<br />
their real time objectives and organisational identities interact and<br />
compete for the best ideas and resources. A second generation internet<br />
platform whereby a Foundation&#8217;s (for example) publicly available governance<br />
and philanthropic objectives are matched (automatically) with various<br />
university (for example) academic objectives, personnel and events both<br />
proactively and reactively.</p>
<p>Impact</p>
<p>Philanthropy is pretty much in the business of working with poor and<br />
vulnerable people and more and more poor and vulnerable people are becoming<br />
empowered with the ability to develop and manage their own philanthropic<br />
relationships. An efficient system and real time knowledge base would be<br />
immensely helpful and efficient in terms of time and money - not to mention<br />
getting down to business and making the best possible relationships work.</p>
<p>Why now</p>
<p>As can be seen from the social networks, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Google - the same real time user focused technology exists now and can be used for this purpose. also, more and more people are becoming involved in<br />
philanthropy and more and more people see a need for improvements in<br />
accountability, focus and efficiency. The wonderful thing about philanthropy<br />
as opposed to business - is that all information is open and free, it just<br />
needs to flow better and better for everyone.</p>
<p>This platform could be up and running in 3 years when the majority of groups<br />
(from the very small to the very large, form the local, national to the<br />
international) could be interacting and benefiting. </p>
<p>The vast data of such a third sector (virtual and open) environment could be<br />
analysed by civil society social scientists - providing new (and first time) knowledge on a  global multi $billion philanthropic &#8216;industry&#8217; - which would perhaps have very real implications for policy analysis and social change in terms of public, private and governmental policy, its gaps and possible prediction of future areas of need.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stannard-Stockton</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2007/10/susan-bell-talks-online-philanthropy-marketplaces#comment-901</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Stannard-Stockton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, thanks for stopping by and commenting. I'd love for you to stay involved in the discussion.

Re-inventing the wheel is a big problem in philanthropy, but not in this case. Many people in the field think that Charity Navigator is not just not good enough, but that it is actually promoting a concept that is detrimental to the field.

I wrote a column in the Financial Times specifically about Charity Navigator's faults that you can find &lt;a href="http://search.ft.com/ftArticle?sortBy=gadatearticle&#038;queryText=stannard-stockton&#038;y=0&#038;aje=true&#038;x=0&#038;id=070928009996&#038;ct=0" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Take a look and tell me what you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thanks for stopping by and commenting. I&#8217;d love for you to stay involved in the discussion.</p>
<p>Re-inventing the wheel is a big problem in philanthropy, but not in this case. Many people in the field think that Charity Navigator is not just not good enough, but that it is actually promoting a concept that is detrimental to the field.</p>
<p>I wrote a column in the Financial Times specifically about Charity Navigator&#8217;s faults that you can find <a href="http://search.ft.com/ftArticle?sortBy=gadatearticle&#038;queryText=stannard-stockton&#038;y=0&#038;aje=true&#038;x=0&#038;id=070928009996&#038;ct=0" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Take a look and tell me what you think.</p>
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		<title>By: David Vosburg</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2007/10/susan-bell-talks-online-philanthropy-marketplaces#comment-886</link>
		<dc:creator>David Vosburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What interests me about this post is how it neglects to consider the information that IS out there. 

Being extremely interested in creating a competitive information marketplace rating non-profit organizations, I would love to see an organization take the role of a Moody's or Standard &#38; Poors and give us a better approximation of the effectiveness of the causes we give to.

So, I went on a quest to find just that. I ended up on the other side of the table with Trent Stamp, executive director of Charity Navigator (www.charitynavigator.org), who, in addition to his blog (trentstampstake.org), runs the only independent, effective non-profit rating organization out there. (and it also happens to be a darn good website)

I am currently at the Yale School of Management and I understand the behavioral implications of human decision-making - ie illogical as often as logical. But for those who are out there who want a quant-based approach to seeing how our charities stack up, Charity Navigator does the job.

I just hope McKinsey &#38; Co can do the simple websearch it took me to find Charity Navigator. And I hope they recommend helping CN reach new heights instead of reinventing the wheel and creating yet another non-profit doing the same thing: something we do not need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What interests me about this post is how it neglects to consider the information that IS out there. </p>
<p>Being extremely interested in creating a competitive information marketplace rating non-profit organizations, I would love to see an organization take the role of a Moody&#8217;s or Standard &amp; Poors and give us a better approximation of the effectiveness of the causes we give to.</p>
<p>So, I went on a quest to find just that. I ended up on the other side of the table with Trent Stamp, executive director of Charity Navigator (www.charitynavigator.org), who, in addition to his blog (trentstampstake.org), runs the only independent, effective non-profit rating organization out there. (and it also happens to be a darn good website)</p>
<p>I am currently at the Yale School of Management and I understand the behavioral implications of human decision-making - ie illogical as often as logical. But for those who are out there who want a quant-based approach to seeing how our charities stack up, Charity Navigator does the job.</p>
<p>I just hope McKinsey &amp; Co can do the simple websearch it took me to find Charity Navigator. And I hope they recommend helping CN reach new heights instead of reinventing the wheel and creating yet another non-profit doing the same thing: something we do not need.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stannard-Stockton</title>
		<link>http://tacticalphilanthropy.com/2007/10/susan-bell-talks-online-philanthropy-marketplaces#comment-640</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Stannard-Stockton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a terribly important point. Markets and data do not automatically produce perfect decision making. They aren't even designed to do that. The stock market for instance sets the price at which an even amount of people will want to buy or sell a stock. But every transaction only occurs when someone wants to sell and someone wants to buy at the same price. By definition, they can't both be making the correct decision.

But better, more available information (both data and qualitative information contained in the "conversation" I discuss) helps people make the best decision possible. They won't always be correct. Imagine I showed you 3 cards in a deck and then asked you to guess the next one. If instead I showed you 45 of the cards, your guess would be better. If I also explained probability theory to you, you'd do even better.

Or think in qualitative terms. Imagine you had to pick your spouse after one date. If instead you spent a couple years getting to know them, you'd make a better decision. But you still might end up divorced.

I like your last line. Information does not provide answers, it helps you ask better questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a terribly important point. Markets and data do not automatically produce perfect decision making. They aren&#8217;t even designed to do that. The stock market for instance sets the price at which an even amount of people will want to buy or sell a stock. But every transaction only occurs when someone wants to sell and someone wants to buy at the same price. By definition, they can&#8217;t both be making the correct decision.</p>
<p>But better, more available information (both data and qualitative information contained in the &#8220;conversation&#8221; I discuss) helps people make the best decision possible. They won&#8217;t always be correct. Imagine I showed you 3 cards in a deck and then asked you to guess the next one. If instead I showed you 45 of the cards, your guess would be better. If I also explained probability theory to you, you&#8217;d do even better.</p>
<p>Or think in qualitative terms. Imagine you had to pick your spouse after one date. If instead you spent a couple years getting to know them, you&#8217;d make a better decision. But you still might end up divorced.</p>
<p>I like your last line. Information does not provide answers, it helps you ask better questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Tidy Sum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tidy Sum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love data and I am giddy about seeing these concepts advance but I don't worship at the mythical alter of the information marketplace.

It is hard enough keeping up with all of these good Tactical Philanthropy posts!

Gobs of research suggest that the patterns of decision-making in the financial markets, for example, are hardly objective.  

My financial planner and  for that matter my doctor, my lawyer, my Senator, my Governor, and my 6 year old, often pull decisions directly out of their keisters.

We all know how decisions in business,  government, sports, law, science, are  finessed with data but can be as wacky as a hat on a church lady.

Canned data is seductive but it often leads to bad decisions.  

I don't expect a better information marketplace to provide much in the way of answers -- I look forward to how it can raise good questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love data and I am giddy about seeing these concepts advance but I don&#8217;t worship at the mythical alter of the information marketplace.</p>
<p>It is hard enough keeping up with all of these good Tactical Philanthropy posts!</p>
<p>Gobs of research suggest that the patterns of decision-making in the financial markets, for example, are hardly objective.  </p>
<p>My financial planner and  for that matter my doctor, my lawyer, my Senator, my Governor, and my 6 year old, often pull decisions directly out of their keisters.</p>
<p>We all know how decisions in business,  government, sports, law, science, are  finessed with data but can be as wacky as a hat on a church lady.</p>
<p>Canned data is seductive but it often leads to bad decisions.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect a better information marketplace to provide much in the way of answers &#8212; I look forward to how it can raise good questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Trachtenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Trachtenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really nice of you to post this, Sean. Susan Bell raises some very, very interesting points. In particular can't wait to see the findings from the research she says Hewlett is undertaking to determine "what motivates people to give, if they will use a tool if it's available, and what kind of information would be available to put into it." That will give you lots to blog about!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really nice of you to post this, Sean. Susan Bell raises some very, very interesting points. In particular can&#8217;t wait to see the findings from the research she says Hewlett is undertaking to determine &#8220;what motivates people to give, if they will use a tool if it&#8217;s available, and what kind of information would be available to put into it.&#8221; That will give you lots to blog about!</p>
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